Role Reversal - E4

Clancy Denton  0:00  
Welcome to the loud quiet. Ooh, empty nester. Okay. What does that mean?

Rick Denton  0:06  
I think that actually probably is the theme of the Empty Nest. What are we doing? Let's do this. Let's do this thing.

i don't know if i'm Recording.  Yeah I am .Okay,

Clancy Denton  0:15  
Great, Sans children, just us, we need a tissue box up here, follow along on our journey and maybe you know, we can learn from others.

Rick Denton  0:23  
I don't have a clue how to be empty nesters, if

Clancy Denton  0:25  
this is the loud, quiet, living the empty nest. 

Welcome back to the loud quiet. Thanks again you guys for joining us. We really do appreciate all the love and support all the comments, the sharing the interaction. It's all been really, really great. We just look forward to this every week. And we're glad that y'all are following along with us. So let's jump in.

Rick Denton  0:53  
Yeah, let's jump in. This one's the substance probably going to be a little weight here. It's going to be a little heavier the topic that we're going to be talking about. So I want to start with text from kids. And this is one that's fun.

Clancy Denton  1:05  
Is that what we're calling it? No, we never have it was text of the week.

Rick Denton  1:09  
Somebody's going to have a better text from somebody but

Clancy Denton  1:12  
text to text from kids of the week.

Rick Denton  1:16  
That sounds like some of those things that were on like news shows in the 80s, where it'd be the the special story of the week or something like that, or the adopted dog story. So it's not that this just in. And it's kind of timely, because this season is one of my favorite seasons of the year I talked about that fall is my favorite time of the year that I like it not just because of the weather, in theory, the weather changing. It's also the time that sports comes out of its doldrums. And that's one of the things are you

Clancy Denton  1:42  
there are people that do enjoy baseball, but for you is

Rick Denton  1:47  
the point. That's right, I have to acknowledge and yes, the Rangers are doing well this year. Even still, there is the realization that football is finally amongst us. And I love this just completely out of the blue, I get a text from Tanner. And it's college football exclamation point. And I happen to be on a flight at the time and I was watching on the flight was the Notre Dame versus Navy game. Not a real stunner of a game. But it was just exciting to be able to watch that. And what was special about that is it is a reminder of how we're still going to be able to stay in touch with the kids. And the fun that is that this is a text that I might have gotten from Tanner in high school. It's a text that I might have gotten from him while kids were still around in the house. And it is just it's fun to think about there's so many things that I have gotten the opportunity to share with him. We for the longest time went to the football championship game here in Frisco every year. And we've gone out of our way to go to sports, travel to go see soccer matches and that sort of thing. And it was just nice to get this. So college football is the text.

Clancy Denton  2:54  
And it's not just college football, because this is now the season where it's EPL, which is soccer for those of you who don't know, college football, and NFL. That's right. So I'll see you in a few months. You

Rick Denton  3:09  
might see me a few months. Now that's interesting, because your tone has changed a bit from last episode. We haven't even started the

Clancy Denton  3:15  
season joy. I can take it in little doses, but I am not like you and Tanner. That can. I mean yesterday he even said I'm so excited to just sit and watch on all day Saturday and all day Sunday. Yes,

Rick Denton  3:29  
that's right. And you know, even Tegan was talking about the chance to go to the first football game with her roommate this weekend. And she's looking forward to that. So it is kind of fun to have that season. So this text here was just a nice, light, enjoyable realization of you know, things are actually alright.

Clancy Denton  3:48  
Yeah, the kids are doing well. We had a good week. Just keep getting good reports from them and just communication from them, which is a bonus because I'm still reading. And it just hurts my heart for these moms and dads that said their kids have just cut all ties when they, you know, went to school. So

Rick Denton  4:11  
I don't understand that. Well, I got almost once we may want to get a set of parents on here that that's half Yeah.

Clancy Denton  4:17  
And my thing is, and I get it, they're trying to be independent. But if I'm paying your cell phone bill, and I text you a question, it needs a response within a good amount of time. You know, I know you might be in class or I know you might be at the wreck or doing something but we need a response. Yeah, so anyways, sidebar.

Rick Denton  4:42  
For future episodes. We never know where these are gonna go.

Clancy Denton  4:44  
We also were in Austin this past weekend, which is what our episode and revolves around. This episode is titled Why Role Reversal? i Yeah, that is really hard to say.

Rick Denton  5:05  
Because it's really

Clancy Denton  5:07  
hard to say. You know, we put out a question earlier this week just asking, have you found yourself as an empty nester or even prior to your empty nest years, taken on some sort of role in any capacity of caring for your parents. I just, you know, found a few stats that, you know, the life expectancy right now average is about 79 years, and it's climbing. I mean, it was a steady, up, tick. And with that, one in every five Americans is an unpaid caregiver. And that's what we're called unpaid caregivers. In different roles, which is what we will discuss and several of you guys, when we put out the question, I got several responses of Yes, I am in that stage of life, I'm having to deal with that. My very close friend is definitely having to deal with that. We are going through that. Thankfully, we have one set of parents that are still very active, my parents are very social, very active, you know, can still travel to see the kids traveled to see their son that you know, lives, they are still take care of their, you know, seventh grade grandchild. So, you know, we're just very lucky that we have one set that are still

Rick Denton  6:54  
in there doing well, they're a role model to us as this empty nest aspect of it is watching how they went about that, and paying attention to you know, how they've stayed active. That's a whole different topic. And, and I am incredibly thankful that they can both be that role model. And they're so healthy and so vibrant, and still continue to be a part of our lives and the rest of their friends and family's lives as well. Yeah, a little different on the other side.

Clancy Denton  7:22  
Yeah. Unfortunately. So yes, yeah.

Rick Denton  7:26  
And so that's what we'll be talking about today. Right? If the inspiration for this episode came about, as we realized that, as I've become an element of a caregiver, and I think it's important to somewhat delineate what that looks like. But before we even talk about what like a caregiver means, because there's so many definitions that I really want to talk a little bit about and share the stories of who we're talking about here. And so those that know, me and my family know that my dad passed away in 2003. And so my mom, obviously continued on after 2003. She remarried later in life, and has been this incredibly vibrant, and incredibly intelligent woman she is, and when I talk about intelligence, I'm glad I'm actually glad that you got this picture up here. This is when I was graduating from high school. So yeah, long time ago, there's a lot more hair under that cap than what you see now. Although a little more on the face, so you know, a bit of a trade off. And that's when I'm graduating from high school. So this is 1991. Well, that's my mom there. And she is getting her MBA from the University of Texas, which is, was and still is a very highly renowned masters of, of business, right. And this is this is a woman who was a nurse. She then without being titled as such, was sort of the nurse office manager for my dad's office at a time when medicine was an independent practice. And so all of that went into that the intelligence that has to go into just the the math that has to go in with keeping that up. And she's, there's just such a brightness and a vibrancy to who she was in a busyness to who she was. And there were times. This is a podcast, to be honest, that sometimes that busyness sometimes made us wonder, you know, how can she be as actively involved in our family and that sort of stuff. It was still though just a woman who was on the go. And when I talk about on the go, I mean, literally on the go, because this is a woman who was part of the inspiration and my dad to to some degree she extending even in the later life. She was travel agent, and that travel agency that she worked for was one that she was also doing just kind of regular travel agency stuff, but then she would plan trips for people across the globe. You got to go on one of those you actually And technically

Clancy Denton  10:01  
tieghan Got to go. She was just on the inside, on the outside. But yes, so Clancy

Rick Denton  10:07  
didn't get to enjoy the glue of the Christmas markets in Germany quite the same degree. But this is a Global Traveler, my dad, my mom were traveling to places they

Clancy Denton  10:15  
traveled well before your mom absolutely got into Yeah,

Rick Denton  10:18  
and travelled to places that people didn't travel. Typically as Americans at now, it sounds very common. Oh, they went to India, right. People do that all the time. That was not a trip that people took back when they were doing in the 70s and 80s. They went to China and some of the descriptions of the boat on the Yangtze that didn't have heat in the middle of the winter and no hot water. They were they were travelers that were willing to go places. This is someone that was putting themselves out there. And so that's what she carried forward and took that even into our family. She was a a traveler who this picture here is when she intended and did for the oldest grandchild Tanner is her her oldest grandchild. She wanted to take each of them on a global trip that mattered to them. Notice the word global, specifically global.

Clancy Denton  11:09  
And this. This was 2018. I think the year was a good point. And the year matters because this was Tanner's freshman year. Yeah. So I got to 2017 Probably. So yeah, but,

Rick Denton  11:24  
and this was so this picture specifically is Tanner going to Stamford Bridge to see the homeplace of his favorite team Chelsea FC, and mom was there with her. She didn't care, a lick about soccer. But she was there to create a great trip. And she even went to an EPL games sitting there. With the supporters. They aren't there yet, because they got there really early. But she's sitting there with the supporters. They're singing the songs, they're cussing up a storm, this is filled up freezing. Absolutely, I guarantee and I think she said she miserable at this time, probably,

Clancy Denton  11:58  
I think it was spring. Yeah,

Rick Denton  12:01  
a little touch of snow at this. So and Tanner's loving it. And she's in. So that was what she wanted to do. She wanted to share that with her kids, and her grandkids and her grandkids. And that's, that's what I want to kind of set the stage for who this woman is, who this woman the life experiences that she had and the intelligence that she had. Because it's a lot different now. Things have changed significantly. So we went down to Austin. And I feel like I'm dominating the narrative here. I can talk for a long time, but we did go down.

Clancy Denton  12:40  
This is our story. But it's your you know, your story to share. I will pipe in when you know, I have things to say. But it really is a story of how fast things can change. We're recording

Rick Denton  13:01  
this in 2023. So I'll I'll tell the story. So let me let me go to the end. And then we'll go through the end, my mom is in the very late stages of Alzheimer's. She's at a stage of Alzheimer's now that she's not as communicative, really not communicative at all, is in a chair. And we're able to experience her through smiles and eyes. And our family gets to experience that, oh, god only knows what her absorption of those moments are. This is 2023 that we're recording it. But it was only just a few short years ago that she went on a trip to Africa. And coming out of that trip, we got a call from one of the women that was traveling with her. And that call went to my sister and that's that call said I think I'm observing something because I know this I'm a clinician or I was something she knew someone in her family and she had some kind of element to it. She said, I think you may be approaching a memory issue and memory carries you I can't remember the words I wasn't on the call. And Clancy had observed some things before that. But even then you could attribute it to she's really busy. Oh, she forgot things because she was really busy. That's why I mentioned the busyness earlier. There were some other things that were there. But it was this moment and I find it somewhat kind of ironic that it happened on a trip. This is a woman who's traveled the world by herself. And she got disoriented in I forget which airport it was Amsterdam, trying to find the restaurant trying to find the restroom trying to find the next game. We're not talking about some third world Airport. This is a well signed clear airport. Well that began our journey to realizing and this isn't necessarily an Alzheimer's episode, but it is stunning to see how quickly things moved.

Clancy Denton  14:51  
Well and it's stunning to me. Once we did get the diagnosis, how many other people Oh, no kidding. We know I mean, it is the numbers are staggering. Of how many people are being diagnosed with with Alzheimer's. Yeah. And they can't figure it out. I mean,

Rick Denton  15:16  
there's there's the new thing like this year, there's some new things are hoping that this can remove the plaque and I'm no scientist and we'll talk about caregiving thank God for the caregiver that does exist in my mom's life, her husband, who has been an absolute godsend. He is the scientists in this and thank goodness for that as he helped us navigate through this process. I I'm forgetting the gears, which

Clancy Denton  15:39  
is she got it was torn. Now she got diagnosed in 2020. Well, that's right, because it was COVID. Right? And then in the summer of 21, how long, let's say the summer of which people can't get that. When did she when did we have to finally make the move into memory care. So that was 122. Okay.

Rick Denton  16:04  
And so when she was first diagnosed, this was actually and I don't want to tell too much. It's because it's her story to tell and that, but it was still where you can have a conversation with just things we've gotten, we would get forgotten

Clancy Denton  16:15  
doing zoom calls, because that's all we could do during COVID. So once a week, we would do a zoom call and she was, you know, still talking and able to

Rick Denton  16:26  
have a conversation. Maybe she wouldn't necessarily remember that Tanner went to Arizona State. Maybe she wouldn't remember what Tegan year was, but she would, she'd certainly recognize this and all of that. And it really was and there's some elements of this that drove us to the point that she truly needed to be in memory care. It is a bad as an episode in and of itself. For those that want to go in that path. How you make that heart wrenching decision to do that, even though at that point when she joined. And I'll say the brand Arden quartz has been absolutely amazing to her and to our family there Arden courts in Austin. Even when she moved in, while the stories might have been nonsensical at times, or perhaps the memory, she would still recognize who we are, she would talk about wanting, you know, oh, I really want to buy property here. I can't wait for your dad to come here and who had been dead for many years. But I want them to come here. So we buy property, she wanted Tegan to visit the school that mom was at. And because this school is great, and Tegan should really look at going to here for school

Clancy Denton  17:30  
and she was still participate. She was participating in the the activities that they had, you know, it it was the right place for her to be. And it still is the right place for her to be I mean, the care that they give there is has been great, beautiful.

Rick Denton  17:51  
Yeah. And there's a separate company that we've engaged for some is more active elder care that is there as well. That's non medical. And they've they've been just some of them developing what seemed to us just deep, deep hearted relationships with my mom. And that's been great. We are now as I said at the end of the story will not the end of the story. Dear God, that is the where we are in the story now, where I was describing that all of that does not express in words except maybe some Western unintelligible whispers. There's, to me when we visit, I don't see any recognition of who we are sometimes a smile, but I don't know if that's the smile, almost like the smile of an infant just seeing a face that's a friendly face or just a face. Right.

Clancy Denton  18:37  
And that's what's so evil about this disease. Alzheimer's sucks. Yeah, it does. And because as far as we know, she doesn't know what's happening to her. But all of those of us around her knowing what she used to be. I mean, it's just yeah, blood. I mean,

Rick Denton  19:02  
and that's, we've actually, we've laughed about this at times, like, because sometimes all you can do is laugh about this, is that Alzheimer's, perhaps maybe the disease that you would want to get? Because you don't experience it? Right. Once you're in the deeper stages. It's so painful for all those around you. And clearly I don't mean that please don't cancel me world that I don't mean that but what I mean is as a if there's any sort of relief, it's the one of knowing that she may have no idea that this is is going on,

Clancy Denton  19:37  
it doesn't come with pain, at least that we know. It doesn't, you know? It just

Rick Denton  19:45  
and that's what and that's the caregivers suddenly were thrust into this role of caregiving. So a different degree. Yeah. So

Clancy Denton  19:55  
why don't you talk a little bit about you know, because we don't live in Austin, you know, we live in Frisco, you know, three hour now four hour drive, Justin. Thank you. I 35. So, you know, why don't you talk about how you have taken on a role as a caregiver, but not a physical caregiver?

Rick Denton  20:26  
Yeah. And in the context of empty nest, it's, you know, you think that empty nest is all about freedom, and not being attached and all that goes with that. Well, no, actually, you do want to be a caregiver to someone that you love. And yeah, in this case, I am in Frisco. I can't I mentioned my mom's husband, Jerry. He is, again, a godsend. He's there. He's there twice a day, except when other people visit those. There's two visiting hours. So he's there daily. Thank God we found a facility that's 10 minutes from house. He is a wonderful physical caregiver for her. He has a wonderful medical plan caregiver for her he is so intelligent when it comes to knowing what to do when to push back on doctors when to explore new therapies and not therapies in the sense of trying to recover from Alzheimer's just therapies to help her comfort, help make sure that she's not over medicated or unmedicated. He's great there. My sister is close by, she can do those same kinds of visits, she has the opportunity to bring her family up there and give mom the delight of seeing grandkids and the like, and have a more physical presence with mom there. And and the elements of being physical, I can't be physical there. Even still, it does create a caregiver component because there's a whole financial component that comes to this. My mom has a rent home. And the maintenance and the management of that rent home takes labor. And that was labor that was falling on others, Jerry primarily. And now with my mom in care, we've been able to divvy up the caregiving. And well, it's been a lot of work. I don't want to over emphasize it. I don't want to diminish it either. Yeah, I would love to be seeing my mom more often I am. I am thankful for this opportunity to be able to do that kind of caregiving. I also am thankful for the fact that we can go down there and physically see her. We have the luxury of flying out Yes, flying. Thank you. I 35 we choose to fly. But flying down there. And I'm thankful to you. We talked about me being a caregiver but indirectly you are a supporting this caregiving as well, because you are supportive of the times that I fly down there or even such as this weekend going down there as well. We're in September when we do a 6am flight down and at 9pm flight back

Clancy Denton  22:45  
well, and when you said empty nesting, you know, you want to have freedom. Well, we actually kind of do have because we I wouldn't have been able to go with you this last weekend because I would have been at a football game with Tegan Right? Or, you know, so it has opened up you know, while we had already been doing that, but you were sometimes going during the middle of the week because I couldn't come with you because I still had a child here. So now we've made it to where you know I can go with you we can go on the weekend and you know have some fun and often to when we go and

Rick Denton  23:23  
it wasn't that we just do moped about the the condition of my mom. Now we went had a nice Martini at Roaring Fork, right? We we had the opportunity to get dessert that wasn't as good as it used to be, but it's still a wonderful place. And so we did and you know what, that's where the caregiver and the empty nester in this case are actually kind of going hand in hand. To many a trip to Austin is actually kind of a getaway trip right for me, it's family and it's a chance to see that the family we get a chance to engage with Nana and interact. And I think that actually is one of the silver linings of this evil, awful disease. I mean, I hate it. I think I'm guarding myself against really letting go here. I hate this thing, seeing my mom the way she is, as compared to those pictures there gets me angry and sad at the same time, which doesn't really work very well. The silver lining though is the the connections that I've been able to rebuild with my family at a time when we were busy with kids. We weren't engaging with Austin nearly as much as we are now. And with my mom's disease, forcing I'll use that word but really more choosing to be forced into a monthly visit because that's what I want to do. And now with the freedom with no empty nest for you and me to go together, it's helping cement those relationships in a deeper way that might not have happened otherwise.

Clancy Denton  24:53  
Well and I think that's you know, I referred to it the other day as a gift. That's an A crappy box. Yeah. And the wrapping is not good either. Yeah. Because while it has helped you and us reconnect with, you know, some of the things and and I love Austin, I love being down there. You know, I could eventually see us maybe going that direction anyone who has a lake house. But, you know, it has and amongst other things, it has helped, because it has been journey for three years. And really, I would say over the past year and a half, that's, it has really y'all have gotten things in order that people don't necessarily think about, and sometimes you don't have the choice to think about it. But we have the time to prepare, find financial papers, legal papers, I mean, there's so much

Rick Denton  25:59  
Yeah, is it worth it. And it's inspired us to do that for the generation above. Now, I realized, when I speak of Nana, she is my dad's mom's my grandmother on my dad's side. Yet, what we've seen through my mom has inspired Rachel and me to more actively pursue the getting Nana to have her documents in order she comes from a generation that

Clancy Denton  26:24  
with her other along with her other sons, you're always

Rick Denton  26:28  
right, and then have all collectively come together to make that happen. Inspired by this and other incidents throughout the family, to be able to get Nana in the position that she wants to be. Her generation is one that may not have been as comfortable with that as say, our generation. And it's nice that we right now at this moment, I have full confidence that whatever her wishes are, have been explicitly and clearly laid out and all the documents that need to be laid out.

Clancy Denton  26:58  
And I've seen it from the other side with my good friend. You know, her dad's passing was unexpected and quick. And everything she had to do in between the time that they finally found out about his illness. And then everything she had to do that she didn't couldn't get done before he passed away, after. I mean, it was a lot of stuff. So you know, and y'all dealt with it, too, when your dad passed away unexpectedly, Oh,

Rick Denton  27:33  
I'm so frustrated with Sprint, for the way they treated my mom when she was trying to get my dad's cell phone turned off when he passed away unexpectedly. These are the kinds of things that are just maddening. And if you've set up the processes, ahead of time, power of attorney and all that there's not a legal show, don't listen to some really good advice, talk to your lawyer about this. But get it all set so that God forbid something unexpected happens, you get it taken care of, or have the ability to take care of it or you've got yourself the comfort level and can live out a life that knows that you are prepared, and that your family is well taken care of.

Clancy Denton  28:09  
It's a lot of scrambling and things come up. But once you have it settled, then everyone can just focus on your mom, and what's best for your mom, and what's best for those that are taking care of her. And so it is. And I mean it. It was a lot. I mean, just just the rent home stuff was a lot

Rick Denton  28:39  
and just making sure that everything is secured in the way it's transitioned. And, and this is where I do need to, I need to I want to say you know how thankful I am for who Jerry is I'm thankful for how Rachel has approached this as well as a family through some of these difficult elements that could find itself having contention. To say never, I don't know, maybe we did have some contention. I don't recall any that typically even when we were discussing my mom's, I would have these care calls. It'd be Jerry, Rachel and me on a call discussing what's our care plan for mom. But what are we doing? Jerry? How are you taking care of yourself? Rachel, how are you doing? Rick, what are you doing all of these things? And so it has been nice, we have been blessed with the luxury of a family that has treated this in a unified fashion and that there hasn't been any contention. God forbid contention yet. Right. You know, I don't anticipate it. And so far we've set things up in a way that help protect against that.

Clancy Denton  29:40  
You had a really good, what was your wisdom? There was a you had something yesterday that you talked about. And you said you wrote you have it in your phone,

Rick Denton  29:51  
which is what we're using right now. So I would need some stats

Clancy Denton  29:56  
about the wisdom of the older generation. then, oh,

Rick Denton  30:01  
we'll see I just needed a trigger for that, because I do a very bad job of remembering verbatims. I just remember themes. And one of the things that is somewhat heartbreaking is that you and I have started this empty nest phase. And we've even started this podcast. And neither my dad nor my mom are going to be able to listen to it decide to heaven, then who knows, maybe there actually is an apple podcast download, the dad's accessing there in heaven, or Spotify or YouTube. Maybe there is something like that, that he's actually able to listen to this, it That hurts my heart a little bit. And it was realizing that as we enter this empty nest phase, how much I wish I could tap into the wisdom of the generation that's gone before me in my particular lineage. That's why we talked about at the beginning, I'm thankful for seeing your parents as a role model thankful for seeing them. This isn't, you know, a cliche reverse cat's in the cradle of make sure you spend time with your parents before they're gone kind of thing yet it kind of is, in the sense that well, you don't know when they're either going to leave you and you don't know when they might be here and yet mentally have left you. And so yeah, I have a much better phrase that maybe we'll put in the shownotes. But that was it is just remembering to access the wisdom of the generation that's gone before us, because you never know when that wisdom portal will be gone.

Clancy Denton  31:30  
And, and we did when we were there. We played the podcast for your mom so she could hear it, you know, though,

Rick Denton  31:40  
it was there by her ears. And now what was funny, though, is she she didn't really react to it right? That was not unexpected to see that she didn't react to it. What was funny, though, is that anytime that I tried to tell a story by myself, she led up the biggest yawn. So there's a part of us that really sincerely believe that, you know, maybe mentally, like there's even a chance that her soul has already left, right? I don't know, right? That's a spiritual question that I will only get to answer on that side of heaven. I do at that moment think that, you know, she may have been more aware. And she'd been like, I can't communicate the word Shut up. But I'm going to just yawn and tell you to just shut

Clancy Denton  32:19  
your light to go back and take my nap.

Rick Denton  32:22  
That was funny watching her yawn.

Clancy Denton  32:26  
Well, thank you for joining us for a therapy session, which is actually I wanted to say, because one of my mom's friends, Janet, actually put that in a post that she had commented on our question yesterday. And this really is, I mean, especially this episode, because, you know, just getting to talk about it, and then hear from others. You know, what y'all are going through? You know, I know, I'm going out with my chair moms that we've been going out now for the past, oh, gosh,

Rick Denton  33:03  
you may need to set this up and yours, not your mom's that y'all are here.

Clancy Denton  33:07  
Your daughters were on the same competitive cheer team. And so we have just stayed friends and go out to dinner once a month. And I know, a couple of them are going through similar things. So I'll be interested to see, you know, hear their stories. And because, yeah, I mean, one in five people. It's just doing the numbers are

Rick Denton  33:35  
just crazy, whether it's, you know, a disease like this, whether there are cases where people are caring for their family, because the savings weren't there. And so they've brought family into their home and are providing for them financially and physically. Caregiving has a lot of different definitions. And there's a lot one in five seems actually kind of low to me. The who knows, right? That is 20% of the population.

Clancy Denton  34:00  
Well, and that study was probably done and 2020 or 2021, since the data just came out. So I'm sure it's a and going up.

Rick Denton  34:10  
And if you looked at you know, it'd be interesting. I may use that word loosely. But looking at empty nesters, what the percentage is of empty nesters who are unpaid caregivers, as opposed to the entire population.

Clancy Denton  34:24  
Well, there you have it, you got a happy story. Next week's episode should be oh, this should have some laughs Yeah, it also has some good stories, because we will have our couple friend on hopefully, if the technology is

Rick Denton  34:41  
gonna say it will be our first attempt at a guess so everybody, hang tight. Be patient with us. And, and, you know, share your stories like Clinton was saying she's gonna hear it from her friends when she goes to dinner. Part of the therapy too is knowing that others are out there with the same experience or similar experiences. So let us know what you're going through as well.

Clancy Denton  35:00  
then if there's a topic that, you know, you all are interested in, if there's a topic that you're interested in coming on talking about, just let us know.

Rick Denton  35:10  
We'll talk about anything we're not professionals will be able to do we might run

Clancy Denton  35:13  
out of content real quick.

Rick Denton  35:16  
Let me cut that out. See, we can still Yes, we can. And I think that's an important part of living in this empty nest craziness that we're a part of.

Clancy Denton  35:29  
Well, thanks again for joining us on The loud quiet, living in the empty nest. Kind of missed that one. That's all right. 

Rick Denton  35:41  
All right.

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